It’s tuesday… so, speaking of faith and doubt:
When I was 14-years-old I was attending a small Christian school. We had a social studies class where we were supposed to write what amounted to “position papers” on social issues in the class. I chose the issue of capital punishment. Since it was a Christian school we had to use scriptures to back up our position on the issues. I thought I could do that.
The teacher misunderstood, and presumed I was writing in favor of capital punishment. I told her that in fact I was going to write opposed to it, saying that our government shouldn’t put people to death—and if it did, we shouldn’t speak in support of it as Christians. She was shocked, and said that I couldn’t do that because I would need to use scripture to oppose it. I was young, but still felt like I knew enough scripture to do so.
I had grown up in a vibrant Christian home where we used Bible Quiz cards to ask questions of each other after dinner, so I knew a ton of scriptures. I had also gone to Christian School since the 3rd grade, so I had memorized a bunch of things by rote that I had forgotten by the time I was 14. However, I was deeply influenced by the Bible by this age.
I wrote my paper and then gave a verbal presentation. I don’t remember all my arguments, but I do remember using a lot of scripture along the way. The teacher wasn’t pleased. She argued with me about my position after class, and when she graded my paper she gave me a “C” on it. I was very angry and felt that she was persecuting me for my position on an issue just because I disagreed with her at the time. Several of the other students, including one that wrote on that subject from the other position agreed with me.
This is when I discovered that while persecution of Christians is very real and intense in many places, in America, at least, there are some Christians who try to persecute those who don’t believe like they do. Certainly getting a C on a paper is not getting tossed to the lions in the Colosseum. However, this experience has helped me think through how I treat those that don’t believe the way I do; those who don’t have the faith I have.
I’m thankful that my parents didn’t treat me the way my teacher did. I didn’t know their position on this issue at the time—but I knew they encouraged me to explore every angle of things and not to be close-minded.
No, I didn’t lose my faith because of this teacher. However, I did start to think that whatever belief she had—the one that would make her close-minded to a student’s earnest beliefs, the kind of belief that would make her harshly judge and penalize a person who honestly disagreed with her, even using her power to do so—that kind of belief was one I wanted nothing to do with.
How about you? What’s your take? I don’t want to make this thread about the subject I wrote on as a kid. Instead, tell me this: have you ever had someone judge you and penalize you for a belief you had? Have you ever encountered people whose faith made them close-minded to any other thoughts outside their system—no matter how small the disagreement? Have you ever known a persecuting Christian? If so, what effect did it have on your faith?
[P.S.: let’s make this thread a safe place for anyone to post—even anonymously—responding with kindness, grace and understanding.]
So, what’s your take? I’m here to interact or just listen.
Sure, on a rather regular basis I see Christian persecuting others for beliefs that are not theirs. It’s a fascinating cultural dynamic, but hardly something new. Bull-headed, people occasionally accumulate some measure of power and attempt to force their beliefs on others. Whether as a dictator or a passive aggressive manipulator of circumstance.
Personally, I see it in the way university constituents occasionally try to influence administrators to release faculty with whom they disagree. It’s happened in several Christian Colleges in the last few years. Great men and women of God forced out because of a position very similar to the one you took… Not heretical, not unorthodox, simply different from the oversimplified or fundamentalist view held by the persecutor.
Thanks for the thoughts… I haven’t experienced what you mention but have heard of them. Not fun.
Thanks for this, Dave. Sure, this pops up in “Mommy Wars”, “Worship Wars”, “War on Women” (I’m of the opinion that whenever the words “war” and “Christian” co-mingle we’ve got ourselves a sticky wicket).
I appreciate Andrew Wall’s understanding of the “world auditorium” which says that we might hear the gospel a bit differently depending on where we are sitting. Same gospel, different dialect or something like that….
Well said.
Great line about “wars”
When I was in high school, we had to do “platform” speeches in our science class. A percentage of the grade a speech got was based on how the other students graded you. One person did a speech supporting euthanasia while another person did a speech against euthanasia. Both people did a great job with their speeches, but I was so against euthanasia, I gave the person who supported it an “F” while I gave the other person an “A”. I then made the mistake of letting everybody know what I did. It should come as no surprise that the class retaliated by giving me a failing grade on my speech.What I did was wrong.
Thanks for this candid confession!
May I be so frank with my regrets
Respect
David, I have to admit I have seen this ever so much. I must admit, I have experienced this ever so much personally. Simply asking a question to many church leaders can bring this about, like they feel because they are in leadership, how dare anyone not jump at what they say.
Yep… a lot of this has to do with authority issues–as much as doctrine issues.
I have a nose ring.
I work while my kids are in daycare.
I am in an egalitarian marriage.
I wear a bikini.
I am a Christian.
Most of the push back I get on the above comes not through personal conversations, but shared articles on Facebook with titles like, “Why Christians Shouldn’t Wear Bikinis”, and “How to Raise a Daughter” (which is full of advice that makes me shudder).
Hmmm. Come to think of it, I might have some judgmental vibes aimed right back at these Facebook friends. 🙂
Hello there nose-ring-wearing, daycare-using, egalitarian-marriage having, bikini-sunbathing Christian.
You are welcome here. :-)Facebook is a great place to go if you want to be offended by your own friends.
I do want to be cautious–as you imply–of being Pharisaical to the Pharisees. I am reminded that when my view of the world always puts me in the role of Jesus and my enemies in the role of the Pharisees that I might in fact be mistaken. 🙂
Sounds like someone read “My Utmost” for today? And I want to talk to the lady that married the eagle; what’s that like?
Darrin… did you mean this reading? Didn’t read it this AM but looked it up on your reference:
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2012. . . do you love Me? . . . Tend My sheep —John 21:16Jesus did not say to make converts to your way of thinking, but He said to look after His sheep, to see that they get nourished in the knowledge of Him. We consider what we do in the way of Christian work as service, yet Jesus Christ calls service to be what we are to Him, not what we do for Him. Discipleship is based solely on devotion to Jesus Christ, not on following after a particular belief or doctrine. “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate . . . , he cannot be My disciple” (Luke 14:26). In this verse, there is no argument and no pressure from Jesus to follow Him; He is simply saying, in effect, “If you want to be My disciple, you must be devoted solely to Me.” A person touched by the Spirit of God suddenly says, “Now I see who Jesus is!”— that is the source of devotion.Today we have substituted doctrinal belief for personal belief, and that is why so many people are devoted to causes and so few are devoted to Jesus Christ. People do not really want to be devoted to Jesus, but only to the cause He started. Jesus Christ is deeply offensive to the educated minds of today, to those who only want Him to be their Friend, and who are unwilling to accept Him in any other way. Our Lord’s primary obedience was to the will of His Father, not to the needs of people— the saving of people was the natural outcome of His obedience to the Father. If I am devoted solely to the cause of humanity, I will soon be exhausted and come to the point where my love will waver and stumble. But if I love Jesus Christ personally and passionately, I can serve humanity, even though people may treat me like a “doormat.” The secret of a disciple’s life is devotion to Jesus Christ, and the characteristic of that life is its seeming insignificance and its meekness. Yet it is like a grain of wheat that “falls into the ground and dies”— it will spring up and change the entire landscape (John 12:24).
Thanks for posting this. Your story struck my heart, because this common persecution nowadays among Christians has caused distance even within my own family. I have seen first-hand someone very close to me form a self-righteous mindset and deny all other beliefs in conflict to their own–and harshly at times. This attitude of superiority leads quickly to selfishness, which I think many of us tend to see more and more in churches across the nation today: people who seem to carry the image and joy of a loving Christ, that is, until things don’t go their way. It’s a sad thing to see if you ask me. The Lord has called us to be that of a gentle and quiet spirit, not judging or speaking harshly toward others–being in the world, but not of it. Some have created such a distance from the world they can no longer reach others; people may want the new life they have, but it seems utterly impossible to reach. It has seemed to become more about being ‘right’, then simply showing the love of the Father.
This is a GREAT article! It really shows us how Christians (myself included) have a hard time loving our enemies or those who don’t see the world the same way we do.
Yep!
Having just experienced life in North Carolina and the rather headed discussion / debate / persecutions over the marriage amendment, I completely understand your perspective. The way Christians reacted and behaved towards those with differing view points still bothers me when I think back on it. I cannot help but think that persecuting other believers is the least productive way to build a Christ-honoring community. Seems like we ought to be able to discuss things in a spirit of love without waiting to pounce on someone or beat them over the head with our own closely held opinions on the way good Christians should behalf. What is more important to us today, loving God and our neighbor, or being right?
Thanks for this comment, Matt… your final question there remind me of this verse in Matthew 23:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.”
I think the modern day Pharisees drive faithful Christians to a place of “less talk, more action”, more living out their faith in action and deed instead of with words. I can’t help but also be reminded of the parable of the obedient son in Matthew 21, who even though he said no to his father, felt bad afterwards and ended up doing as he was asked. Sometimes our words (good or bad) do not accura tely reflect the heart they originated from.
Challenging post. My hearts desire is to be a follower of Christ who would handle people the way he would. I never want my passion for being right to overwhelm my compassion for
those around me, regardless of their standing as a follower of Christ,
or his greatest enemy. Sadly I often fail at this, but I hold to the hope that as I deny myself and take up my cross daily, he who began the good work will be faithful to complete it. Pray for me, I’ll pray for you, and the Holy Spirit will transform us.
Great quote here, Evan:
“I never want my passion for being right to overwhelm my compassion for
those around me”amen
This reminds me of the paradox of tolerance. That is, tolerating the intolerant ultimately undermines tolerance. (1 paragraph quote here: http://athada.blogspot.com/2011/06/who-said-it-125-should-we-tolerate.html).
In thinking of orthodoxy, what to one person is heresy worth splitting a church over is another’s “meh, I’ll learn to live with it.” Somewhere I suppose a line must be drawn. I often think back to your father’s explanation of lines in blood, lines in pen, and lines in pencil. When I was a teen, the lines were much clearer than they are now. Then again, I never really studied church history, considered orthodoxy, or understood anything but my own religious background 🙂